Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/09/2003 02:00 PM Senate JUD

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            SB 203-OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR OGAN announced SB 203 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVE  STANCLIFF, Regulation Review Committee,  said the basic                                                               
goals of SB 203 are to set up  a model that will grow and provide                                                               
more  efficient   and  fair  hearings   for  those   who  require                                                               
adjudications in the state administrative process.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Secondly,  it  sets  up standards  and  protections  for  hearing                                                               
officers  statewide. Since  the  officers work  for the  agencies                                                               
that promulgate  and enforce the regulations,  a more independent                                                               
approach  is  in  order  and this  bill  provides  protection  to                                                               
hearing  officers  from agency  influence  from  both inside  and                                                               
outside the central  model - and influence  from the legislature.                                                               
It  also  establishes  a  higher  standard  of  conduct  for  the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In  effect, a  model is  created and  outside that  model, people                                                               
have a more independent status.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Last, the bill establishes a time  limit for people who have been                                                               
caught up  in the  adjudication process for  years. He  said they                                                               
have  worked  extensively  with administration,  legislators  and                                                               
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR OGAN said  that all three powers are  under one branch                                                               
of government -  the power to carry forth  the laws, investigate,                                                               
prosecute and adjudicate.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF commented  that  judges are  sworn  to uphold  the                                                               
administrative  law   until  they   are  given   the  independent                                                               
standards of conduct that due process calls for.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS arrived at 2:13 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   THERRIAULT  asked   Mr.  Stancliff   to  go   over  the                                                               
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF passed  the amendments  out to  the committee  and                                                               
stated  that at  every  step  of the  way  they  worked with  the                                                               
administration in consideration of  any changes in the amendments                                                               
and that they had been extremely productive and cooperative.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The  first  amendment on  page  3,  line  15, is  a  housekeeping                                                               
amendment;  amendment  2  on  page 8,  line  1,  is  substantive.                                                               
Currently, a hearing officer has 90  days after the date the case                                                               
is  assigned  to  prepare  a  proposed  decision.  However,  they                                                               
realized that  if the  agency didn't  cooperate with  the hearing                                                               
officer, he  might not get  the material  needed to even  get the                                                               
hearing  going within  90 days  so it  was changed  to 120  days.                                                               
However, they deleted line 7 on page 8, which says:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     If  the proposed  decision is  not  timely issued,  the                                                                    
     agency decision that  is subject to the  hearing is the                                                                    
     final  agency  decision  and  a  party  requesting  the                                                                    
     hearing may appeal straight to Superior Court.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
It  sounds  good  in  principal,  but it  doesn't  work  well  in                                                               
practice for  two reasons.  The first reason  is, if  the hearing                                                               
isn't  even  conducted, all  of  a  sudden  the only  record  the                                                               
petitioner has to build their case on  is a bad record or none at                                                               
all. The  administration asked for  the leeway to trust  that the                                                               
new model would work properly and to delete that type of hammer.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
On page  8, line 21,  it says the  hearing officer will  have 120                                                               
days and then submits the  hearing to the commissioner or agency.                                                               
The commissioner  would have  30 days to  decide whether  to take                                                               
action  or  not. That  bar  has  been  raised  so that  when  the                                                               
commissioner takes action,  they have to very  explicitly say why                                                               
and make it a matter of  the public record - something that isn't                                                               
necessarily occurring  now. Also, currently, if  the commissioner                                                               
remands the case  back to the agency, it doesn't  say how long it                                                               
can stay there, which has been a  problem. So, he fixed a time of                                                               
60  days starting  from the  time the  hearing officer  hears and                                                               
proposes the decision. Within that  60 days, the commissioner has                                                               
up to 30  of them to decide what  to do or to do  nothing; and if                                                               
it's remanded back, there's an  additional 30 days for the agency                                                               
to  complete and  issue a  final  decision. That  puts the  total                                                               
clock under this amendment at 182 days.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF said  he contacted  Judge Belcher  in Colorado,  a                                                               
nationally recognized  expert, on  what he  felt was  the outside                                                               
time his central panel ever had  to use and he answered 180 days.                                                               
"So,  we're in  line  with  a model  that  is  working very  well                                                               
nationally   and  the   administration  has   every  option   and                                                               
flexibility within this model to speed parts of it up..."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The new  model has a requirement  to keep good records,  but they                                                               
accidentally asked  them to  keep records of  not only  what they                                                               
do, but  records of whatever  the agency  does, too. This  is not                                                               
only  duplicative,  but  it's  going to  make  them  into  record                                                               
keepers  rather than  processors  and  adjudicators. Amendment  3                                                               
clarifies that.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT moved to adopt  the three amendments, S.2, S.3                                                               
and S.4,  as one amendment. There  were no objections and  it was                                                               
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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                      A M E N D M E N T 1                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  CSSB 203(STA)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Page 3, line 15, following "year":                                                                                              
     Insert "the results of the survey along with"                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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                      A M E N D M E N T 2                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  CSSB 203(STA)                                                                                                         
Page 8, line 1:                                                                                                                 
     Delete "immediately"                                                                                                       
     Insert ", within two working days,"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Page 8, lines 4 - 5:                                                                                                            
     Delete "within 90 days after the date a case is assigned                                                                   
for hearing"                                                                                                                    
     Insert "within 120 days after the date the agency received                                                                 
the request for a hearing"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Page 8, lines 7 - 10:                                                                                                           
     Delete "If the proposed decision is not timely issued, the                                                                 
agency decision that  is the subject of the hearing  is the final                                                               
agency decision and  the party requesting the  hearing may appeal                                                               
from  that  decision  to  the  superior  court  or  as  otherwise                                                               
provided by law for appeals of final agency decisions."                                                                         
     Insert "The hearing officer shall immediately submit the                                                                   
proposed decision to the agency."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Page 8, line 21, following "proceedings;":                                                                                      
     Insert "the hearing officer shall complete the additional                                                                  
work on  the case  and return   it to the  agency within  60 days                                                               
after  the date  the original  proposed decision  of the  hearing                                                               
officer was submitted to the agency by the hearing officer;"                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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                      A M E N D M E N T 3                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                           
     TO:  CSSB 203(STA)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Page 9, lines 24 and 25:                                                                                                        
     Delete all material.                                                                                                       
     Insert   "acquire   and   organize   records   relating   to                                                               
administrative hearings of the office.   The records must include                                                               
information,"                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Page 9, line 28, following "records.":                                                                                          
     Insert "The records shall be made available to the public."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF  noted a letter  from the Disability Law  Center of                                                               
Alaska that brought to their  attention that federal law requires                                                               
that  a state  educational  agency or  a  local education  agency                                                               
conduct the  hearings under their  particular statutes  having to                                                               
do with  children with disabilities  as it applies  to education.                                                               
However, they said they would be  willing to work with him to see                                                               
if by keeping them in this  bill, they rub up against the federal                                                               
statute. He said they would work  with the AG's office to correct                                                               
that if it is a problem.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  what happens  when  the  hearing  officer                                                               
doesn't return the  decision within a specified  time. Could they                                                               
go to court?                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF responded  that the  amendment  they just  adopted                                                               
removes the provision to go to court.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if there was  any time frame for them to get                                                               
through before being able to go to court.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF answered there is not.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  whether PFD  disputes are  in this  act or                                                               
whether they stand alone.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDY HEMENWAY, Department  of Administration Hearing Officer,                                                               
answered the PFD hearings will not be under this act.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked about fishery laws and regulations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF said  they will not be  in administrative hearings.                                                               
The RCA  is not  included and  neither are  oil and  gas taxation                                                               
issues. The idea is if the  model works well, it could eventually                                                               
evolve to be the total clearing house.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Only one  category of taxation  relates to  oil and gas,  the oil                                                               
and gas property tax  on page 5, lines 12 & 13,  of the CS, which                                                               
are  presently  being  heard  by a  hearing  officer  within  the                                                               
Department of Revenue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     There are  two types  of issues  that arise  under that                                                                    
     statute. One  type is  whether or  not the  property in                                                                    
     question is  in fact  taxable property for  purposes of                                                                    
     those  statutes.  Those  questions  would  go  to  this                                                                    
     central panel  [by a hearing officer  in the Department                                                                    
     of Revenue].                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The other  question that arises under  those provisions                                                                    
     of law is  how much is the property worth,  what is the                                                                    
     amount of the tax.  Those issues under current practice                                                                    
     are  decided  by  the State  Assessment  Review  Board,                                                                    
     which  is   essentially  a   collection  of...municipal                                                                    
     assessors,  basically....Those  cases   are  now  being                                                                    
     conducted  by  that  board, not  by  hearing  officers.                                                                    
     They're  not  delegated  out   and  under  the  current                                                                    
     legislation...they  would continue  to be  conducted by                                                                    
     the State Assessment Review Board.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he knew  how long it takes to get through                                                               
the system now.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF replied  they provided  a full  report that  lists                                                               
every hearing function  and how long they  have taken previously.                                                               
He said that the new  officers would not be classified employees,                                                               
but they  would be  partially exempt and  have the  same guidance                                                               
that Division  of Election employees  have under AS  39. However,                                                               
they cannot be summarily removed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked  if this sets a 90-day  drop-dead period for                                                               
resolving the hearings.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF replied no longer  and that the amendment they just                                                               
adopted  gives 120  days  to  the hearing  officer  to produce  a                                                               
product  and 180  days total  from  the time  someone requests  a                                                               
hearing that the agency has to provide a final decision.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  if any  hearing  bodies were  consistently                                                               
exceeding that period of time.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF said  there is a list  in excess of 50  - 100 cases                                                               
that won't even get  heard for a year or more.  He said there are                                                               
horror stories, but this bill is not targeting those.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if  someone that has  a grievance  and goes                                                               
into a  hearing officer, but  has nothing  happen in 180  days is                                                               
automatically shunted off to court.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF  replied there  is no automatic  shunt, but  a case                                                               
could be  made with a competent  attorney to the courts  that the                                                               
deadline was exceeded.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HEMENWAY  added  that  there   is  some  concern  about  the                                                               
consequence of having the ability  to go straight into court with                                                               
a "half baked" record.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  intent is  that  the chief  hearing officer  would                                                                    
     create internal  guidelines to govern how  long will it                                                                    
     take  to process  cases from  each different  agency so                                                                    
     you can establish appropriate time  frames for any type                                                                    
     of case  that might come  along and that those  will be                                                                    
     included in the performance  evaluation for the hearing                                                                    
     officers. The intent here  is...to make the consequence                                                                    
     appropriately considered  in the personnel  process for                                                                    
     the  hearing officer  since they  are the  ones charged                                                                    
     with getting the work done in a timely manner.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS said  he would hold the bill  for further testimony                                                               
in future meetings.                                                                                                             

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